MN-SEN: Mike Ciresi attacks Al Franken

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Mike, I know what you did with your 2 mill ...

The breaking news at the end of February was that Mike Ciresi had donated $2,000,000.00 to his campaign. As an Al Franken supporter I wondered what they were going to spend it on. Now I know what some of it was spent on: two full-color glossy 8x11s that open into 16x11 spreads.

Mike and his campaign staff must realize how far behind Al they are and have decided that attacking is the only way to get back into the race. They have not built the grassroots campaign they intended and cannot compete on Mike's message alone. The most amazing part of this development is that Mike is likely trailing Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer in the delegate count after this last weekend's senate district conventions.

There's also the same layout, full-color glossy attacking Al on healthcare. I couldn't find it online or on Mike's site. Here's my transcript of the attacks in the healthcare piece:

  • Al Franken doesn't want national health care reform - instead he supports mandates that all 50 states create their own separate health care plans.
  • Al Franken's strategy is bad for individuals who live and work in different states, and leaves health care coverage up to the whims of 50 different governors and state legislatures.
ROCHESTER POST BULLETIN

Senate Candidates debate how to deliver health care

By Matthew Stolle | JANUARY 21, 2008
"...'I don't think that the country is ready to go to single-payer national health care,' Franken said.
His plan instead would direct every state to develop universal coverage plans of their own - in effect, 50 individual laboratories - and the federal government would cover the 'bridge costs.'"

Calling on states to fix the problem is not the strong leadership we need to reform health care. People need immediate help and cannot afford to wait for states to develop plans. Franken's strategy will be a mess for companies who have employees in different states.

Underlying the Post Bulletin quote is an image of the states broken apart and the map disintegrating.

There are four things that are interesting about Mike's attacks.

  1. The first and the most important point is that Mike doesn't recognize that the health insurance companies, HMOs and pharmaceutical companies are the bad guys in the fight to get universal health insurance. He does not talk about the fact that these industries are making money from denying people medical care. Mike does not recognize the essential truth of what Michael Moore documented in his movie "Sicko."
  2. While Mike mentions that Al thinks the country isn't ready to go to single-payer, Mike is against single-payer. Al supports it, but doesn't think it'll happen immediately. Al has said on numerous occasions that he would support a single-payer system but that in the current environment in the Senate, doesn't think it will go anywhere.
  3. Mike fails to mention that Al wants single-payer for all kids.
  4. The capital letters in the Iraq piece reminds me of a certain Republican blogger who PUTS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IN ALL CAPS LIKE HE'S SHOUTING ALL THE TIME.

Anything glossy is a lie

My rule of thumb, the more glossy it is, the more it is a marketing lie. I have been doing homemade black and white flyers off of my printer, with the note "Written by Grace Kelly", in fact totally unknown to or even read by the Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer campaign. I'll bet my 9 cent copies, delivered with my heartfelt one minute speeches, are doing more than the very expensive glossies.

Franken's folk must feel pretty insecure...

Put out a flier telling the truth about Franken's health care "plans" and it gets called an attack. We've been being nice to Al... just think what attacks the republicans have waiting for him. And Grace, you might want to remember than Jack can't win an endorsement without Ciresi delegate's support. I'd suggest you not insult their intelligence, and try to maintain the good relations our campaigns have had.

Heh,

I am an equal opportunity campaign techniques critic. I have frequently offered my advice to all campaigns equally. I don't think my remark here has much of an effect on votes. Perhaps to campaign people, who might think that my advice is worth something. If you were reading, then this Saturday when I walk around the SD64 convention, I might get handed this nine cent copy saying:

* Al Franken doesn't want national health care reform - instead he supports mandates that all 50 states create their own separate health care plans.
* Al Franken's strategy is bad for individuals who live and work in different states, and leaves health care coverage up to the whims of 50 different governors and state legislatures.

ROCHESTER POST BULLETIN

Senate Candidates debate how to deliver health care

By Matthew Stolle | JANUARY 21, 2008
"...'I don't think that the country is ready to go to single-payer national health care,' Franken said.
His plan instead would direct every state to develop universal coverage plans of their own - in effect, 50 individual laboratories - and the federal government would cover the 'bridge costs.'"

Calling on states to fix the problem is not the strong leadership we need to reform health care. People need immediate help and cannot afford to wait for states to develop plans. Franken's strategy will be a mess for companies who have employees in different states.

After all, my second choice vote is still up for grabs. Maybe the Franken campaign will hand me a nine cent copy.

If nothing else, then it will please me through my value of fiscal responsibility!

Ciresi was right...

...on the war. And continues to be right. Al is a newcomer to the Democratic position on the war. (And, to be fair, there are a fair number of Dem officeholders who are new to that position too.)

But now that I know that Dyna is supporting Ciresi... *sigh* Back to the drawing board.

I actually like all three candidates...

...but I do find it interesting how Ciresi's campaign is going. The comment that his grassroots campaign has not been built as hoped rang true to me with what I observed this past weekend.

Last Saturday I did volunteer work for the Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer campaign and was dispatched to the Waseca County Convention where they would select 6 half-vote delegates to go to the state convention. Although many would consider the Waseca County DFL to be less significant than the other district/county unit conventions going on that day, I was sturck by the fact that the Ciresi campaign had ONE person to work at the convention (we had 4 volunteers and Team Franken also had 4 people there), and this person was a PAID staffer. He told me that the conventions he's been working at have been like that, where its either him alone or maybe one or two other people to help him out.

The results of the convention were good news for Franken---all 6 half delegates that were elected were pledged to him. Of the six alternates chosen 4 were for Franken and two were uncommitted, but leaning JNP or Franken. Ciresi was totally shut out.

I know that a small county convention in a "red" area of the state is not necessarily representative of a whole campaign, but from what I saw, Ciresi is not getting very good "bang for his buck(s)".

Is it accurate to say "attacks"?

I wonder of "attack" is the correct word here, Eric. I have a lot of strong positive feelings about Jack's campaign, but I also respect that there are honest differences of opinion. I came across someone last week who said he mistrusted Jack because Jack had been against the invasion of Iraq from the beginning, but he trusted Franken because Franken had come to that conclusion several years later.

Obviously, my jaw dropped, since my personal opinion is that there was PLENTY of evidence that we were being duped into the war. But this person explained that Jack's initial opposition suggested that Jack was categorically against ALL wars, whereas Franken obviously approves of some wars, but was misled by Colin Powell and others about this one.

There are differences of opinion, obviously.

But is it really attacking Franken to say that he was initially in favor of the war and remained in favor of the war for the first few years? Is it attacking Franken to maintain that Franken opposes a single-payer health plan, while favoring a 50-state smorgasbord scheme? Is it attacking Franken to indicate that he completely dismisses the idea of a Department of Peace? Is it attacking Franken to suggest that he believes that nuclear power should be considered as part of the solution for global warming? Is it attacking him to suggest that he would keep an attack on Iran "on the table"? Is it attacking him to suggest that he would prefer to keep some troops in Iraq and others nearby, just in case?

Really, I don't think any of these statements are attacks on Franken. They are policy statements from Al Franken and from his campaign.

The disconnect I hear every day is from people who have false impressions about Franken's positions. In my view, if someone wants a candidate who supports single-payer, they should support Jack. If they want a candidate who opposes nuclear energy, they should support Jack. If they want a candidate who was public in warning us of tragedy in our war of choice with Iraq, they should support Jack. If they want a candidate who opposes war with Iran as well, they should support Jack.

But if you like nuclear power, feel like a thoughtful and reasonable person would have naturally been fooled by Bush, think we should consider war with Iran, like hybred cars because of improved SUV performance rather than fuel efficiency, well then go with Franken.

It's your choice. It's a democracy, and in a democracy we can elect whatever sort of senator we want. As a people, we can decide to become a Third World country, we can decide to fight continuous wars, we can decide eliminate all public institutions and privatize everything. It's our choice to vote for whatever we want. But I really don't think it is an attack to describe the real differences between the candidate.

Wouldn't you rather know what you are likely to get, rather than not know what you're voting for?

Sadly

I don't think people want to know what they might be getting in their next senator. I believe that the majority of Minnesota DFLers agree with Jack's positions on issues. However, they have been led to believe that the best we can do, is to ignore the issues and try to find somebody who can beat Coleman. Unfortunately, this "compromise first" mentality is a losing strategy. What is needed is backbone.

Does Franken really believe in the conservative policy postions he takes or is he modifying his postitions to make them less liberal in order to make them more palatable to non Democrats? Which is worse? In fact, you have to go out of your way to find out what his actual views are, because he talks in vague terms about issues that lack substance and is "pseudo-populist."

Al Franken does not do anything for me in the way that I have been inspired by candidates like Jack Nelson Pallmeyer, and others before him like Becky Lourey and Paul Wellstone. These are people that I got out and helped.

Charley, you make some good points...

I was amazed at some of the titles of the Franken subcaucuses in the 60th saturday. Franken/peace? Franken/health care? Clearly if the precinct level delegates had an interest in these issues they should have been in a Ciresi, Nelson-Pallmeyer, or uncommitted caucus. I continue to be amazed at the disconnect- delegates with progressive opinions supporting Franken, who with his support for nuclear power, new coal fired power plants, and expanded wars in the middle east would be one of the most conservative Democratic senators. One wonders how this cognitive dissonance in the Franken state delegates will shake out at the state convention...

As for the choice of campaign vehicle, the Franken "SUV" (Ford Escape Hybrid) is no hot rod. Nelson-Pallmeyer's Honda Insight is potentially the ultimate hot hatch with an aluminum body with a highly aerodynamic cd of .25 and weights less than 2000 pounds. It bears quite a resemblence to the Japanese market CRX. Unfortunately the Insight has been half castrated and given a one liter motor, some extra batteries, and an oversized starter motor so it can carry the sacred "hybrid" label. All that bastardizing provides 60 mpg instead of 50. In gas mileage the Ciresi campaign wins hands down, because their E85 Suburban doesn't burn much... It gets about 100 miles per gallon of gasoline!

BTW, I'd suggest we settle this battle of the campaign vehicles with a contest the length of the Floyd B. Olson Memorial Highway. No running red lights and to discourage excessive speed vehicles will be required to carry campaign signs the whole distance. Extra points will be awarded for gas mileage, ability to pinch hit for a farm tractor, etc. Ties will be settled by a tug of war between the occupants of the campaign vehicles. The gauntlet has been laid down... any takers?

Dyna, what you says doesn't matter

Dyna,

are you still mad at team Franken for allegedly not letting you volunteer. I say allegedly because you've never really explained yourself, only whined like a little girl about it on multiple blogs, posts, and threads.

expanded wars in the middle east C'mon Dyna, why you gotta lie again. Please explain yourself here.

MDE will need your hatred for Franken after he wins the primary, you should talk to Michael.

oh yeah, about the lit piece

Shall we talk about this now, or wait for Coleman to start running ads in the general election that point out how Al was "for the war before he was against it?" As a Democratic base voter, it is very important to me that my next senator did not support the invasion of Iraq. Why would we replace a courageous senator who was willing to put his re-election on the line and vote no on the Iraq war resolution, with someone who was FOR the war? That doesn't make any sense to me.

flip flop

All the wonderful work in the weasel meter, builds on positions that change and positions that don't match votes or actions. That argument tends to not work as well, when the opposing candidate has a bit of the same problem.

My favorite Franken sub-caucus...

was the Al Franken/Impeach Bush Now! subcaucus called in North St. Paul a couple weeks back. It speaks directly the fact that many of the Franken supporters are either confused or uninformed about the specifics of Al's positions. Al won't touch the subject of impeachment, though I did get this gem out of him awhile back in Duluth when I offered him a PDA Impeach sticker. "Well, here's what I'd do if I were in the Senate. I'd introduce a bill that said if the President invades Iran, we'll immediately start impeachment hearings." Al had no response to my reply..."So, one illegal invasion is OK, but not two?" Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer, for the record, was the one Senate candidate who got up and gave his speach, an Impeach sticker displayed prominently on his lapel. This kind of leadership is one of the multitude of reasons I am proud to support Jack, the best candidate running for the DFL endorsement for US Senate. And the one, I have absolutely no doubt, best prepared to defeat Norm Coleman in November. Watch a debate with the 3 candidates and see for yourself.

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