MN-SEN Candidate Comparison
[Updated 8/27/07 with gas tax clip from Almanac]
Despite the fact that we are still 434 days or more than 14 months away from the 2008 election, the campaign to send Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) back to the private sector is starting to heat up. I can only imagine what its going to be like a year from now.
Al Franken and Mike Ciresi are campaigning hard already for the DFL endorsement in the MN-SEN race. Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer is still but a rumor. I will continue to ignore Jim Cohen. How should a progressive voter in Minnesota decide who to support? Maybe by the issues? Okay, but let's catch up on what's going on in the race.
Al Franken
So far, Al seems to be a good candidate. He's quick-witted and his radio show has groomed him well for this campaign. He seemed relaxed on the Almanac debate and made his points clearly. He's done a tremendous amount for progressive politics in the last decade. He helped start Air America and has spent the last campaign cycle raising around a million dollars for upper-midwestern politicians through his Midwest Values PAC. Furthermore, he is out meeting voters almost each and every day. This is the classic Wellstone method. He's also at it early enough that he will personally talk to a large number of voters like Wellstone did in his first race. He's charming, funny and he has a secret weapon -- his wife Franni. If you go to an event, find Franni and chat with her ... she's a great campaigner, too.
The Franken campaign is a machine. Technologically, they're leading the way. They're beating Norm at fundraising. Democrats don't usually outraise incumbent Republicans and especially in Q2 of the year prior to the election! They have a massive volunteer pool and they're keeping them busy. They're garnering the endorsements. Its beginning to appear like this campaign is a juggernaut.
Machine
Franken's staff is outstanding. They are the heavy hitters and probably the best in the state at what they do. From Andy Barr running the overall operation to Jess McIntosh in charge of communications to J.D. Schlough (started MN Publius) managing the tech stuff to Dusty Trice in charge of logistics (and many more), they have the campaign running smoothly and in full swing as if the election is this November. It reminds me of how well the Klobuchar campaign was run.
Tech
Al's website says enough. The interactive map is a breakthrough. J.D. has Al talking to voters via YouTube. They understand the power of personalized communication that YouTube provides. Furthermore, they understand the power of the netroots. They've worked hard to have a presence in all the right places, because they understand that the combined power of the netroots will generate upwards of a million dollars in donations they might not otherwise get and more volunteers they might not have otherwise had. Despite my objections to the lack of transparency in the process by which Blue Majority/Act Blue endorsed the Franken campaign, it shows that they have not just worked hard, but have worked smart.
Volunteers
With the unpopularity of the occupation of Iraq, DFLers hate for Norm Coleman, Al's celebrity status and the campaigns excellent organization, they've been putting volunteers to work all over the state since April. They estimated that they had 4500 in June and I think its probably safe to say they have 5000 now. And there's still 14 months to go. The size of the volunteer pool indicates the strength of this campaign. It seems clearly to be a grassroots campaign.
Endorsements
The unions are lining up behind Al, the netroots are beginning to (see the bruhaha concerning the Blue Majority/Act Blue endorsement here and here) and politicians from all across the state are endorsing Al. I've listed them as of 8/26 in the comparison chart below, otherwise, go to Al's endorsements page.
Negatives
As time passes, Al is addressing the questions about his candidacy and his issues. Since Norm has admitted to doing drugs during college when he was a anti-war activist, Al's drug use becomes a non-issue. Worries that Republicans can paint him as a spiteful, sarcastic comedian are diminishing as voters meet Al in person, through his website and via YouTube. Its becoming clear that Al will be a jovial and sardonic candidate. For many progressives, his initial support of the Iraq War is troubling, for the peace community its a deal killer. For those who are concerned about his electability, his campaigns strength and Norm's weakness is beginning to make that a moot issue.
Mike Ciresi
Mike is also a good candidate. My interview with him is here. He is a good speaker and has experience campaigning from his 2000 Senate campaign. He has fought for the rights of the unrepresented and the downtrodden. From woman permanently injured by the Dalkon Shield intrauterine contraceptive device to residents of Bhopal, India killed and injured by the negligent chemical leak by Union Carbide to defeating Big Tobacco in 1994.
Making up for a later start
He got a later start than Al. He probably would have started his campaign in a couple of weeks if Al hadn't entered the race so early. While he's trailed Al in many respects, his fundraising and endorsements are respectable. He raised $750,000 in Q2 despite only campaigning for half of the quarter. Obviously, we'll see what his Q3 fundraising was like in early September. I'll compare his endorsements to Al's later, but you'll see that politicians and community leaders are coming to his side.
Concerns
One thing that concerns me is how he answers questions. Take the gay marriage discussion on Almanac. When asked his position on it, Al said "Yes" that he was for it. Mike said:
- I'm in favor of no discrimination in this country whatsoever. I am not in favor of imposing requirements on religious denominations.
(Jason's blogpost on mnblue: DFL U.S. Senate Candidates on Almanac)
The problem is this sounded like triangulation when I first heard it. Why not just say "I'm for civil unions" which seems to be where he stands? His later explanation helped a little, but seemed to complicate an issue which for the GLBT community is a highly charged and emotional issue. He sometimes has a tendency to answer in language approaching legalese. This sounded like an answer he'd practiced so he'd have it just right rather than an answer that people can easily understand. The danger for Mike is the GLBT community may turn out and volunteer for Al and not consider helping Mike. Whereas, Mike's history of supporting GLBT issues is what he should emphasize and not be quite so concerned about what the people who think homosexuality is a sin are going to think about him. These folks are unlikely to volunteer for him, let alone vote for him. On the other hand, the GLBT community may likely turn out strongly for Al if he continues answering this question this way.
Polling as well or better than Al
Mike's polling numbers indicate that he's doing just as well as Al when going head to head against Norm. This is important, because progressives cannot dismiss him because he's not legitimate. Actually, either he or Al would likely kick Norm's butt in November 2008.
Always against the war
Furthermore, Mike has always been against the Iraq War. Al was initially for it, but soon after began opposing it. For the peace community, Mike may be a better candidate. However, the peace community won't likely be drawn to Mike as Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer may still join the race. Even if Jack decides not to join in, the peace first folks may even consider this issue a tie, hold their noses and decide who they are supporting based upon other issues. Mike hasn't done anything to oppose the war like Jack has or like Al has once he was against it.
Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer
As this race roars along, Jack falls further and further behind. Will Al have raised $2M in Q3? Will Mike have raised $1.5M in his first full quarter in the race? How will Jack compete with the organizing that Al and Mike have done since Jack began exploring joining the race?
Jack has a dedicated group of volunteers ready, willing and able. The peace community is very well organized and would leap in as soon as Jack joins the race. As for fundraising, Jack wouldn't need anywhere near the money that Al and Mike have generated ... it would be a strictly grassroots campaign. The question is would Jack be able to take advantage of technology like YouTube and the netroots? It may be too late for the netroots as the big guns in the lefty netroots have endorsed Al, but hopefully, Jack would take advantage of YouTube, MySpace and etc.
The question, and one which I'm sure Jack is pondering, is can he make an impact in this race? Are Al and Mike too far ahead? Here's what Jack said on July 19th when I interviewed him:
- "I won't do it as symbolic," he responded. "I won't put my family through a campaign unless I thought I had a realistic chance. I won't do it just to pressure Al or Mike to change their positions. I want people to take a close look at what they are actually saying on the issues not at their fame or fundraising prowess."
So what is it about Al and Mike's positions that makes Jack want to run?
- They haven't taken strong enough positions against the Iraq War
- They do not recognize the fundamental issue with our healthcare crisis that the insurance companies are the root of the problem
- They do not recognize that we have 10 years at most to address global warming
- They do not talk about how poorly the economy is doing for average Minnesotans
The Issues
For we progressives, its the issues that matter. We want candidates who will champion the issues that matter. Ending the Iraq War, single payer universal healthcare, global warming, accountability and transparency in government, gay marriage, preserving a woman's right to choose, public transit, tax fairness are all issues that matter. So how do our two candidates and Jack stack up?
Just before the August congressional recess, Congress passed and Bush signed an expansion of the FISA wiretapping. The Bush administration now has an unparrelleled ability to listen in on conversations without any oversight. Oversight of the program will be done by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Department of National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell. The Democrat leadership caved and allowed this. Since the FISA expansion capitulation I wanted to know what the candidates' positions are.
Al Franken's position on the FISA expansion
The truth is that the FISA bill never should have been left until the last minute. Al would have tried to bring it up earlier to devote the proper amount of time to a thorough revision of the law. Al would have stood with the Democrats in Congress saying we'll skip August recess - we'll stay in DC and re-write this thing. But ultimately, if it came to the vote taken, he would have voted no. He just couldn’t support handing Alberto Gonzales more power.
Jess McIntosh, Communications Director
Mike Ciresi's statement on the FISA expansion
"I would have voted against the amendment to FISA for the following reasons: First, procedurally, in my judgement there was not ample time for thoughtful review and dissent before voting by the Senate. Second, substantively, it places almost unfettered discretion with the Bush Administration and limited review by the FISA Court under a very difficult standard - essentially, it eliminates effective review by the FISA Court. Finally, due to the Bush Administration's track record, I am reluctant to place such discretion with the Administration because of the threat of intrusion into the privacy of law abiding citizens. To conclude, the amendment should have been more carefully crafted."
Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer on the FISA expansion
Failed to return my email. Oh well. My guess is he'd think its ludicrous.Jack got back to me:
The Democrat-led Congress recently caved in to President Bush by voting to significantly expand the government's authority to eavesdrop on the email messages and international phone calls of American citizens. The new law marks a dangerous expansion of potentially abusive government power without meaningful legal protections. Of great concern is the fact that the bill shifts the power to approve surveillance from a special intelligence court to the Attorney General who himself should be indicted for obstruction of justice. Further, the law gives immunity to companies that cooperate in the government's spying operations. The expansion of FISA does nothing to keep US citizens more secure while further eroding civil liberties. I fear that the expansion of FISA is another example of too many Democrats being unwilling to stand up to and counter a politics of fear.
Gas Tax
Al Franken is for the gas tax in Minnesota and leaves all options open when comes to a national gas tax.
Mike Ciresis is for it both locally and national. "Policies have consequences and the bridge collapse is a consequence of policy." "We're living of our grandparents investment in our infrastructure. We can't pass it [the cost of rebuilding and maintaining our infrastructure] off to our kids."
Here we go. Here is my comparison of the candidates on the issues.
| Issue | Al Franken | Mike Ciresi | Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer |
| Iraq war | Originally for it, changed his mind in July 2003 |
Always against it | Always against it and actively against it |
| Iraq war supplemental bill | Opposed it | Opposed it | Opposed it |
| Healthcare | Understands that the problem is the health insurance & pharmaceutical industry. Not opposed to single payer, but no western country has it. Wants some kind of universal healthcare |
opposed to single payer, wants universal health insurance |
Single payer universal healthcare |
| Global warming | Good, he gets it | Good, he gets it | Good, he gets it |
| Gas tax | For it locally, an option nationally |
For it | I can't imagine Jack opposing it |
| FISA expansion | Against it | Against it | ??? |
| Gay marriage | For it | For civil unions | |
| Woman's right to choose | Pro-choice | Pro-choice | Pro-choice |
| Improving public transit | For it | For it | For it |
| Torture | Has spoken out against it. |
Against it, provides no useful intel for us |
Has worked to oppose it |
| Habeas corpus | Restore it | Restore it | Restore it |
| Impeachment | Don't waste the time |
No, waste of time. | Impeach them |
| Medicare negotiate drug prices | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Stem cell research | Fully fund it | Fully fund it | Fully fund it |
| Renewable energy | It will create jobs | Good for economy | Definitely for it |
| Endorsements | State Auditor Rebecca Otto Sen. Sandy Pappas (St. Paul) Sen. Don Betzold (Fridley) Sen. Steve Murphy (Red Wing) Sen. Jim Carlson (Eagan) Sen. John Doll (Burnsville) Sen. Sharon Erickson Ropes (Winona) Sen. Tony Lourey (Kerrick) Sen. Rick Olseen (Harris) Sen. Dan Skogen (Hewitt) Sen. Dan Larson (Bloomington) Sen. Yvonne Prettner-Solon (Duluth) Senator Keith Langseth (Glyndon) Rep. Mike Jaros (Duluth) Rep. Bernie Lieder (Crookston) Rep. John Lesch (St. Paul) Rep. Cy Thao (St. Paul) Rep. Larry Haws (St. Cloud) Rep. John Benson (Minnetonka) Rep. Robin Brown (Austin) Rep. Tim Faust (Mora) Rep. Scott Kranz (Blaine) Rep. Kim Norton (Rochester) Rep. Tom Anzelc (Balsam Township) Rep. Kent Eken (Twin Valley) Rep. Tim Mahoney (St. Paul) Rep. Nora Slawik (Maplewood) Rep. Tom Tillberry (Fridley) Rep. Shelley Madore (Apple Valley) Rep. Frank Moe (Bemidji) Rep. Gene Pelowski Jr. (Winona) Rep. Jeanne Poppe (Austin) Rep. Carolyn Laine (Columbia Heights) Rep. Sandra Masin (Eagan) Teamsters Local 120 Teamster Joint Council 32 United Steelworkers (USW) District #11 Blue Majority |
U. S. Representative Betty McCollum State Senator Katie Sieben (DFL-Newport) State Rep. Denise Dittrich, (DFL-Champlin) State Rep. Sandra Peterson, (DFL-New Hope) State Rep. Karla Bigham, (DFL-Cottage Grove) State Senator Dick Cohen, (DFL-St. Paul) State Rep. Mike Paymar, (DFL-St. Paul) Mike Freeman, Hennepin County Attorney State Rep. Tom Huntley, (DFL-Duluth) State Rep. Rep. Steve Simon, (DFL-St. Louis Park) State Rep. Ken Tschumper, (DFL-LaCrescent) Rep. Ryan Winkler, (DFL-Golden Valley) Rep. Erin Murphy, (DFL- St. Paul) Jackie Stevenson Judi Dutcher Jim Gilbert Todd Jones Ember Reichgott Junge, Hubert H. “Buck” Humphrey Lee Humphrey Steve Kelley George Latimer Roger Moe Kathleen Flynn Peterson Rick Stafford Vance Opperman Ruth B. Usem, CEO of New Sidelines Michael Walsh, CEO of DeltaCare Kelly Doran |
I assume the Peace Community would endorse him |
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Different policies, or just different tribes?
I am a huge fan of Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer's, so the analysis of the U.S. Senate race by The Big E was a discouraging moment. As Eric goes through the issues, of course, Jack stands head and shoulders above any other candidate. But Eric also gives a thoughtful evaluation of each candidate’s actual chances of winning. And there, Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer comes off as so far behind (at very least in fundraising and endorsements) that most people would have a few doubts.
There is at least one scenario where Jack could win. Since both Franken and Coleman both have such strong negatives, if they got into a mud-slinging contest, it is quite possible that they could eliminate each other, leaving the door open for an issues candidate without the baggage. Like Jack N-P. Such a descent into negative campaigning is actually quite likely as election day draws closer, so this situation is not at all far-fetched.
In my personal opinion, Al Franken would make a horrible senator. He is quite clever at milking hostility toward Bush (and I couldn’t agree more with his criticisms), but Franken provides no real alternatives. He supported the war against Iraq and apparently supports potential war with Iran right now. His approach to the Kerry campaign was to enthusiastically support that “hunt ‘em down and kill ‘em” approach of painting Kerry as more bellicose than Bush. Franken just doesn’t provide an alternative to the neocon logic.
Even if he did, his style is arguably more abrasive than that of Mike Hatch. Minnesotans really hate people who aren’t nice, although we are too polite to actually say so. It seems likely that Franken would lose the election, even if he got the nomination. Norm Coleman clearly supports policies that are destroying the country, but he supports them in a nice, gentle way, so lots of folks are going to vote for him --- just like they voted for the governor who kept smiling until the bridge fell.
Ciresi, in my view, would make a much better senator, but I don’t know what his chances actually are. He has a lot of support from inside the DFL, but he is rather completely uninspiring to listen to. He just doesn’t project any passion at all. He doesn’t really articulate an alternative to the present dangerous course. Plus, his is so amazingly cautious that he gives the impression he has checked with an entire army of consultants and pollsters before taking any positions.
The real question for me, however, is the crucial one of finding a leader to pull us out of the swamp we’re in. What good will it do us to elect a Democrat who will keep us at war while ignoring the environmental and financial disasters ahead? Will that actually be worse than electing a Republican? The current examples of Amy Klobuchar and Tim Walz both voting to legalize warrantless wiretapping come to mind. Or of Klobuchar and Walz voting to hand Bush another $100 billion for our tragic and failed misadventure in Iraq. What does it matter if those voting for disaster come from one tribe or from the other? We are still losing our civil liberties. We are still pouring our national treasure into the desert sands. We are still killing Iraqis, killing Americans and creating a world of torture, violence and hate. There will be no change in policy until Democrats find the courage to provide an alternative. We will have done nothing more than change the R to a D behind the senator’s name.
I don’t know about you, but I only have 24 hours in each of my days. I only have 52 weeks in each year. I only have a teacher’s salary, which puts me below the Minnesota median income, even in my 40th year of teaching. I don’t have a single moment or a single dollar to spare for a candidate who won’t work to put the country on a different path. It is a complete waste of my time and money to support an Al Franken or even a Mike Ciresi, even if there is a big crowd behind the bandwagon.
My responsibility is to support the candidate who might make a positive difference, which is why I support Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer. It would be both wasteful and disingenuous for me to support any other kind of candidate. My candidate may or may not win, but I will have done my duty as a responsible citizen, and the nation will have the sort of government that it deserves. In these dangerous times, I truly hope the nation chooses well.
One small clarification
Charley,
Great points. I need to make one clarification. I asked Al about attacking Iran and he responded that it was a horrible idea and was against it. I realize you had a conversation in December of 2006 and he responded differently, but his campaign's official position is attacking Iran is a horrible idea.
Thanks!
Thank goodness!
I am delighted to hear that news...perhaps the best I have received from Al Franken or his campaign. The policies of our rogue president are dangerous and they betray our best values, but we can recover from most of them, given enough time. If torture has become our national policy, we can apologize to the victims and change the policy. If unilateral invasions like Iraq have become the norm, we can put in place laws like the War Powers Act. If the United States has evolved a policy of subverting the elected governments of other countries (like Venezuela, Haiti, Somalia, etc), we can change that policy. If the United States has supported dictators who happen to make convenient alliance with us, we can withdraw that support and again become an exemplar of freedom.
But if the United States invades Iran or if Israel acts as our surrogate in invading Iran, I can guarantee that all hell will break loose. At that point, the tragedy in Iraq spreads to the entire region and the conflict in the region probably spreads to the entire world. Then, unfortunately, we don't get any more chances.
So I am delighted that Al Franken has gone on record as opposing the invasion of Iran. I note that Tim Walz voted AGAINST requiring congressional approval before Bush could began military operations against Iran. And at the Rochester state DFL convention last year, Amy Klobuchar specifically said that she wouldn't take such an invasion "off the table" (just as she had said on Almanac the week before). So coming out against the unilateral invasion of Iraq puts Franken ahead of most of the U.S. Congress at least. I am glad.
Walz/Iran
Charley-
What is the point of passing a bill in congress that echoes what is already in the US constitution (Congressional approval of war acts)?
I think it was a reasonable vote on a stupid bill.
DFL race
Mike Ciresi is better prepared to beat Coleman. It was clear in the debate. His answers were more succinct and he showed a hint of backbone. Franken tends to mumble at times and his responses sometimes miss completely.
More importantly, almost everyone I know has said Franken's support for the Iraq war and initial equivocation on attacking Iran make him a dubious candidate at best, and completely unacceptable to many. Forget the endorsements. They didn't help Lieberman in his CT primary and they won't help Franken. The boots-on-the-ground Dems want to get rid of Coleman because of Iraq, first and foremost. That is what boils in our blood--and it's not just progressives, it's the majority of the DFL.
Imagine Minnesotans faced with a choice between two Iraq war supporters. Think of Coleman in a debate saying "well you supported the war didn't you Al?". It would be devastating. Over 70% of the state view it as a monumental mistake.