The Cage Match

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Substance versus style was on display yesterday, at Anoka City Hall. Neither side won.

I’ll admit it; I’m not a big Tinklenberg fan. I’ve seen him a lot, but I’ve never talked to him, even though the last four times I’ve seen him are: a fundraiser for a Minnesota Congressman in January in a small room; standing in line for “refreshments” at the Blue State Ball; at the SD 56 Convention; and yesterday at The Cage Match. I've never had a discussion with El Tinklenberg. Yesterday, I was sitting two chairs away from Bob Olson’s wife, and prior to the “debate” Tinklenberg was working the crowd in Tinklenberg fashion – greeting those he apparently knows. Well, and ignoring some he knows, too: He ignored Bob’s wife, even though he was but two feet away and looking in her direction. So, when I attribute Tinklenberg to the “style” side in this story, I use the term loosely.

I’ve met and talked to Bob Olson several times. I’ve seen him speak, publicly, a few times. Yesterday was not his “A” Game, and several questions I’d be hard pressed for a “C”. That said, Bob represented “substance”. He was consistent, dogged, and determined – usually. A couple of answers he rambled; he rambled on his intro. Tinklenberg was smooth to the point of slick. He started out using Sunday’s Strib as a prop, and the story by Larry Jacobs as the point: “Whatever happened to starting small”? about Mike Ciresi as an attack on Bob Olson and his lack of previous electoral experience. Tinklenberg later took a shot at Olson, who by profession is a tax lawyer and banker. Olson talked about taxes and those making over 300K a year; in his rebuttal Tinklenberg suggested Olson has a LOT more experience with making more than 300 grand than he did.

Which I found ironic, coming from a lobbyist. What was more ironic was Tinklenberg, later in the debate, decrying the lack of civility, and then immediately going back to the Strib to take another shot at Olson.

And let’s be frank – for all his waffling, Tinklenberg is a lobbyist. As I understand it, lobbying is the essence of his firm. There are plenty of documents from various cities discussing hiring Tink to lobby for them. When asked by Olson about this, Tinklenberg stated there’s the general meaning of words, and there’s the legal meaning of words, and legally, he’s not a lobbyist.

So, I guess Tinklenberg is not a lobbyist, depending upon what the meaning of “lobbyist” is.

Tink waffled on the issue of a primary, too. In closing claimed he’d abide by the endorsement only if the process was honorable and fair. “Honorable”??!? By whose standards? His?

The question of endorsements came up. Tinklenberg became visibly angry. Quite frankly, his answer was misleading. A Tinklenberg staffer clearly stated in an e-mail blast, and I quote:


We are so proud to count Rep. McCollum as a supporter, and we have now received endorsements (emphasis added) from every Democratic member of the Minnesota delegation. From Tim Walz and Keith Ellison down South to Colin Peterson and Jim Oberstar up North, Democrats in Minnesota are working to send El Tinklenberg to Washington and send Michele Bachmann home.

Folks, there’s an “endorsement” in there, that Tinklenberg flat-out did not receive.

Tinklenberg shouldn’t have gotten angry. Embarrassed, perhaps? Contrite? Time to offer on up a Mea Culpa or two is more like it.

And this wasn't the first time Tinklenberg would become visibly angry, at questions and in challenging rulings of the moderator and challenging the debate rules his campaign agreed to. All in all, Tinklenberg reacted angrily to questions 4 times, in addition to his closing.

Quite frankly, it’s apparent that Tinklenberg will get the endorsement. Whether he’s earned it, is subjective. However, the delegate counts speak for themselves, and the math is fairly simple. Fortunately for Tinklenberg, a Bachmann Tracker wasn’t there taking video – at least, not that I could tell.

If quoting Tinklenberg’s previous statements, and then comparing them to later statements is an “attack” in Team Tink’s view, they ain’t seen nuthin’. If questioning Tink’s lobbying background is an “attack”, wait until "real" lobbyists, working on Bachmann’s behalf, take aim at Tinklenberg. If questioning taconite tailings in roadbeds and embankments is an attack, wait until some Karl Rove protégé jumps on this one.

I personally believe the questioning I’ve heard from Team Olson is, without a doubt, legitimate campaign questioning; and part of the normal vetting process.

Be that as it may, it’s apparent this race is all but over, and Team Tinklenberg will be carrying the DFL Standard for CD-6. What remains to be seen, is who they can rally to march behind it.

Yep, it's over

Great work TPT.

It's all but over in the 6th. Tinklenberg leaves a lot of questions left unanswered and will certainly get hit harder by Michele Bachmann than any of us have done.

Who will he cry to on the next hit? Melendez will not be able to save him, nor any leadership in the 6th. He'll be left answering the same questions we have posed, but with millions of dollars behind those asking the questions.

The Cage Match

Not only was Tinklenberg rude to Bob's wife, but his staff was sophomoric at best, vocally laughing at Olson's responses, clapping loudly and long when the moderator had asked for no clapping and asked for civility. Tinklenberg was 'ready' for a fight and he delivered with his anger. I personally am angered that Tinklenberg brought in Olson's staff as being a part of an investigation of his lobbying and of using 'Rovian' tactics against him. As an Olson volunteer I knew nothing of the lobbying investigation until I read it on the blogs. On the Rovian tactics, Tinklenberg can't seem to answer questions about his changing statements on issues so he attacks those that point them out. I saw 'Rovian' tactics used yesterday and they weren't used by Olson.

I want to continue to work for candidates of my choice in the CD6, but it looks like the Tinklenberg campaign is out to destroy reputations of those that oppose him and supported Olson. That is very sad and very bad for the DFL party.

I am sorry that Bob had such a poor showing yesterday, he is an honorable man.

Tax returns

Anyone find it funny that Tink was going after Olson on making $300K or more, when Olson, if he is making that much, has been calling for tax reforms.

What will happen when Bachmann calls for Tinklenberg to release his tax returns?

What have you guys found so far, $2 million in lobbying money?

He can't unify the party. He didn't give to Patty after the last campaign, gave to Walz and Oberstar. His support is because labor stepped up, can they sustain that through Novemeber?

How can any of us get enthused about a pro gun, anti gun, pro choice, pro life, anti DOMA, pro DOMA, lobbyist, consultant, Democrat.

He'll be lucky to get 40%.

Dishonest

Before he ran last time, Tinklenberg met with Wetterling to see if she was running for the 6th CD seat. He wasn't going to if she did. She assured him that she wasn't running for tha seat, and was running for Senate instead. Tinklenberg then made a contribution to her Senate campaign.

Wetterling then changed her mind, beat Tinklenberg for the endorsement, and then pissed away millions of dollars in one of the worst campaign ever. Having already had his senate donation used against him (the funds carry over between races) why would Tinklenberg contribute to someone who had flat out lied to him and stabbed him in the back.

There may be other areas to criticize Tinklenberg, but you can't touch him on that one.

not even a cigar here...

you people do not have a chance HA Ha Ha Ha Ha

no cigar x 2

Nor does Tinklenberg

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This pied piper is out of tune.

The children will not follow.

Only the rats will.

That's not enough. Bachmann has way more rats than Tinklenberg, even. Almost as if she has an infinite pack of 'em. She can do another gig at Living Well Chirstian Center. Work her Quistian coalition.

The progressive dilemma - as with the Dixiecrats a few generations ago - purge the evil or try to "live with it."

Go figure what needs to be done.

As to Tinklenberg, my modus op. is to ask, "What's in it for him?"

The redistricting prediction is Minnesota loses a seat. Tink, if - BIG IF - he wins, sits saying yes to Oberstar for two years, mingling among real registered DC lobbyists, not the quasi-lobbyist all things to all people kind, and comes out the revolving door for another round at how to become a millionaire, redux. And with the rolodex worth five to ten times as much as it is now.

A blessing for the Rev. Tinklenberg. Either way, no downside.

If he looses, he still has the three-legged metro municipalities milking stool.

And if he's proven anything, he knows how to use that milking stool, ya sure, and, ya betcha.

More of the same, immediately, if he loses to Bachmann. More of the same, in two years after redistricting, if he wins. Either way, he becomes richer, more complacent possibly, more motivated possibly to do what he's best at. His only real skill from all I have seen. Carry a cash sack around from town hall to town hall, and point into it saying, "Not full, yet."

no sense

Grace, what are you talking about - you make no sense at all.
Thanks for the laughs though -spin on- see you this fall.

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